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to hear here. the significance of avoiding defense cuts, specifically referring to sequestration and could affect tens of thousands of people here in virginia specifically. the need to reinvest in the military and the significance of working closely with america's allies. a lot of these contrasts rhetorical more than actual contrasts and witness. he's been vague as some noticed about policy differences with the president but one place where he'll show a difference is on syria. more activist public position and suggesting that the rebels in that country's civil war to be armed and attack the president effectively prosecuting the terrorist attack as he'll describe it that led the death of four americans at the consulate there and libya and say among other things the attack on the consulate in benghazi was likely the work of the same forces that attacked our homeland on september 11th, one. he'll draw that link between that attack and al qaeda. thomas? >> nbc's peter alexander traveling with the romney campaign there in virginia, thank you so much. >> joining me today, a super sized edition.
like this. he would maintain our current level of defense spending over the next eight years. he would spend way more than a cold war-style drawdown. way more than the sequester, but he would treat the budget as the new normal with slight increases over time. that's the obama plan for the biggest single thing on which we spend discretionary money. mr. obama's opponents, on the other hand, the math ticket, the hard-nosed practical numbers guys, their plan for defense spending looks like this. ta da! that's what mitt romney is proposing for military spending. an otherwise enormous amount of money. this is what they are planning on doing. the highest level of military spending since the korean war. because, you know, forget your hope and change. what the country needs is math, math, math. how does the ticket plan to balance this giant plus sign contained in their plan? this massive increase in government spending. where does the minus come from if they want to increase spending by that much? this was the scene today in a place called van meter, iowa. just outside des moines. this is what
in iraq and afghanistan as if it were defense spending. they did it as an emergency so this is just the base defense budget. this just shows how the base defense budget went up after 9/11, not including that emergency spending on iraq and afghanistan. now here's the amazing thing. watch this. so this is where our spending is now. that's what the blue line means. if we were to let our spending drop like we did after the end of the cold war, our spending would look like this. now you know the sequester that you've been hearing about with the draconian defense cuts, this is what our spending on the military would be like with the sequester. that's the purple line there. president obama's plan, what the pentagon and president obama have agreed should happen and what their plan is if president obama gets a second term is this line. military spending to have go like that. the third one there in the stack. essentially setting the spending levels we have got now as a new normal, even though he keeps spending going slightly up. people say there's no difference between the candidates. there's
to be very forceful in defense of his record and his presidency. and be clear where he wants to go. >> do you see them challenging each other on the floor during the town hall? >> it depends how the dynamic flows. my guess is both will be hesitant to do that. you're going to see them challenge them. it will be respectfully brutal. they are going to be tough 0 on each other but have to be aware you cannot be the same kind of aggressive in front of a room of people you can one-on-one. >> biden mentioned romney repeatedly by name during the debate. let's listen to part of that. >> governor romney was asked. governor rommy says. governor romney. >> nbc's first read says ryan said obama 14 times while biden said romney 26 times. based on those numbers, biden came out swinging certainly like governor romney did last week. what is your thought here? did congressman ryan miss an opportunity to come out and hit as romney did the week before? >> i think the take away number from that is the very few times that biden actually mentioned obama, simply because he doesn't have a record to run on. the way he
there was last night. like there was this exchange on the military. >> you don't cut defense by $1 trillion. that's what we're talking about. this invites weakness. look, do we believe in peace through strength? we bet you t you bet we do. >> devastating cuts on our military. when paul ryan condemns defense cuts as a nefarious democratic idea that he is fighting vali t valiantvalian valiantly against he did not mention he voted in favor of those exact same defense cuts. also on the issue of medicare, i mean, maybe it's been said enough now that it doesn't need to be said every time, but once again at the debate paul ryan pounded his chest and criticized democrats for a change in medicare funding that he's denouncing on the campaign trail. last night as a $716 billion cut to medicare. well, that's a cut to medicare that he put in his loan paown pn budget. you can be before that thing or against that thing but cannot simultaneously be for that thing and against that thing not if we're supposed to take you seriously on policy which is supposedly the whole idea of you. which brings us to the issue o
and the enthusiasm among republicans, and also the defensiveness among democrats since the debate. >> it is a little bit. one other thing i want to point out. romney seems to have searched national polls than battlegrounds. i think this something i want to keep tracking. i think it's -- it's a little piece of evidence right now and it's been something that you know the president is stronger in battle grounds than any other states. how much of romney's bump is in the other 41 states, if you will? and in the national polls and where in the battlegrounds maybe everything was fought to a draw? that's something that has to be a keconcern to the romney team. >> chris cillizza, when we looked at the narrowing in the battleground polls, especially virginia, we're seeing an impact there also in a very important senate race because there had been an advantage for tim kaine over george alan there, as the president at the top of the ticket was pulling ahead but now that it's narrowed they are dead even. >> yeah. i think virginia's the one to look at in terms of down ballot effect, because we expect that race be
on the republican ticket. >> when we equivocate on our values, when we show that we're cutting our own defense, it makes us more weak. it projects weakness. when we look weak, our adversaries are much more willing to attack us, more brazen in their atax. >> with all due respect, that's a bunch of malarky. >> why is that say? >> not a single thing he said is accurate. >> biden never took his foot off the gas. in one brief sentence, the vice president summed up the empty rhetoric of the romney campaign. >> stop talking about how you care about people. show me something. show me a policy. show me a policy where you take responsibility. >> many obama supporters were disappointed the president didn't hold mitt romney accountable for this 47% comments and his economic policies in general. vice president joe biden made up for it last night. he used 68 seconds to say exactly what needed to be said about the romney/ryan view of the middle class in this country. >> romney said, no, let detroit go bankrupt. we moved in and helped people refinance their homes. governor romney said, no, let foreclosures hi
defense cuts because what that does when we equivocate on our values, when we show that we're cutting our own defense, it makes us more weak. it projects weakness. when we look weak our adversaries are much more willing to test us, they're more brazen in attacks and our allies are more willing -- >> with all due respect that's a bunch of malarky. >> why is that so? >> not a single thing he said is accurate. >> be specific. >> i will be very specific. number one, this lecture on embassy security, the congressman here cut embassy security in his budget by $300 million below what we asked for. number one. so much for the embassy security piece. number two, governor romney, before he knew the facts, before he even knew that our ambassador was killed, he was out making a political statement which was panned by the media around the world. and this talk about this weakness. i don't understand what my friend's talking about here. we -- this is a president who's gone out and done everything he has said he was going to do. this is a guy who's repaired our alliances so the rest of the world follows
to terrorism. >>> in pennsylvania, jerry sandusky, the former defensive coordinator for the penn state football team, will now i don't understand go psychological screening to determine where he likely will serve the rest of his life in prison. a judge yesterday handed down a 30 to 60 year prison sentence to the man convicted of sexually abusing young boys for more than 15 years. nbc's john yang has more. >> reporter: jerry sandusky said nothing as he arrived in a red prisoner's jump suit over a bulletproof vest looking thinner after 112 days in jail. inside he sat impassively as three of his victims told the court of the psychological effects of sandusky's abuse when they were young boys. his voice choking with emotion, the man nope in court documents as victim six spoke of his sense of betrayal, the very kids you claimed to help were the very ones you victimized. victim five asked the judge to consider the tears, pain and private anguish i and others have suffered. sandusky who did not testify at his trial delivered a rambling 15 applicant statement about what he called the worst loss of my l
squad weighs in. defense sec take panetta says the risk of a cyber attack is all too real. >> nobel prizes and chocolate? is connection. good morning. i'm lynn berry, this is "first look" on msnbc. >>> joe biden and paul ryan went head-to-head in their only face-off. they clashed on almost two issues. who won? two polls gave two different views. one showed ryan 48% to 44% ahead. cbs news' flash poll gave biden the win with 50% compared to 31% for ryan and 19% called the debate a tie. for a look at some of the highlights, we go to steve handelsman at the debate sight in danville, kentucky. good morning. >> reporter: good morning from danville, kentucky where they differ sharply on practically all the big issues. these are smart, well informed politicians. paul rye yand and joe biden had reason to feel good last night. a long time democratic insider versus a republican young gun whose ticket has new momentum. mitt romney was watching, barack obama, too. the moderator from abc. they tangled on iran. >> they are closer to a nuclear weapon. >> we will not allow the iranians to get a nucl
. his team includes over a dozen former advisers to president bush. in fact, bush's defense secretary, donald rumsfeld, called romney's speef, terrific, comprehensive speech. our latest poll shows that america's people don't buy romney as commander in chief. he trails the president on that 47 to 39%. and he trails the president by 6% on foreign policy. for decades, republicans have had the edge over democrats when it comes to national security but thanks to this president's strength and romney's weakness, that trend is over. joining me now is richard wolffe, vice president and executive editor of msnbc.com and an msnbc political analyst and brian, a senior fellow at the american for progress. thanks to both of you for being here. >> thanks, reverend. >> richard, let me start with you. what is the biggest failure in romney's foreign policy attacks? >> the biggest problem mitt romney has is not debating the president, it's debating himself. this is all consistency of a split pea soup. is he for mission creep and won't set an end date. he's on every side of his foreign policy position bu
per year, including three submarines. i will implement effective military defenses. >> where's he getting the money for this? and is all that necessary? >> that's a good question. we did a study at the center for american progress and the institute for policy studies, former assistant secretary of defense was on the board with me. we showed how if you cut national security spending, ed, not just the pentagon, but everything across the board, va, does you can cut a trillion dollars out and still bring us back to 2007, 2007 level spending in inflation-adjusted dollars. for 13 years now, we have been increasing the defense budget. you could easily cut -- to hear this man talk about what secretary gates was recommending, but to the point to increase the budget and build more ships is preposterous. we don't need that sort of increase in defense spend iing. what we need is for the national security budget to pay its efforts towards reducing the deficit while keeping us safe. we're not fighting china. we're not fighting a coalition of nations. e we're fighting, at best, some terrorists i
our missions by building 15 ships ber year including three submarines. i will have missile defense to protect against threats. snrs where will he get the money for this h? is all that necessary? >> that's a good question. we just did a study at center for american progress and institute for policy studies. larry corb, former secretary of defense was on the board with me. and we showed how if you cut national security spending, ed, not just the pentagon, but everything across the board. v.a., doe's nuclear weapons and so forth, you would cut a trillion dollars out in ten years and still bring us back to 2007, ed. 2007 level spending and inflation adjusted dollars. that's because for 13 years now, we have been increasing the defense budget. you can easily cut. to hear this man talk even against what secretary gates was recommending, but even to the point where he would increase the budget, build more ships and so forth is preposterous. we do not need that sort of increase in defense spending. what we need is for the national security budget to pay its efforts towards reducing the def
's called attack from a defensive position. the president has been attacked. i think it's time to return the favor to romney. your thoughts this week. >> it's what he had to do in the debate, didn't do, and it's what he has to do every day between now and the next debate. he has to draw the contrast on medicare and straighten out this myth that the president cut $716 million from medicare benefits. he didn't. they're cut from medicare providers like insurance companies that are overcharging. he has to attack on the issue of taxes. there aren't enough tax loopholes or tax deductions to pay for romney's tax cut unless you cut into home interest mortgage deductions, unless you get rid of state and local taxes. that will hit the middle class hard. you have to be honest about this. the debate hurt obama and helped romney, and romney's gotten a bump in the polls, although it seems to be flattening out. you look at the new poll in ohio, the president is at 51%, romney is at 47%. i think the president, the fundamental structure of the race hasn't been changed, but if he doesn't go on the attack,
in interviews and not sure she should be getting that defensive. that's for other people to do. she should be above the fray. >> i would love to interrue her, but with all due respect, she might say i know what i'm doing because after the alleged rebellion with tag and politico.com reported on her husband has at least seen some improvement in the numbers so while, you know, we read the articles, we are journalists and pundits or whatever the case may be, she perhaps believes she knows better for her husband and why she's chosen to be the attack dog and i don't like using that word in reference to any woman but she is going out attacking. >> clearly she feels that way. i learned the other day that she was the first wife of a presidential candidate to ever appear on "meet the press" which i was fascinated with. i don't know how that came about. if she insisted on it or she did or the campaign did. but i think that's really interesting that they feel that she's that effective whereas with michele obama, you know, she is doing stuff mostly off the radar. she's exciting the base. she's going ou
of the speech yesterday from governor romney where he talked about defense cuts and his proposals, paul ryan voted for the sequester and cuts, how does paul ryan defend his original budget and medicare proposals in contrast to what governor romney is now proposing? >> well, what matters now is, what is governor romney's plan going forward and paul ryan has signed up for the romney plan. specifically with respect to the sequester, governor romney is opposed to it. in fact, when that was decided last summer governor romney issued a statement specifically mentions the prospect of some devastating cuts to our national defense budget should sequestration become necessary. so the governor has made it a priority to reverse the obama defense cuts. it's not just the $500 billion that will happen as a result of sequestratio sequestration, another $500 billion in the works. the president's defense secretary has said the combination of the obama defense cuts with sequestration will be devastating to our military. it will further weaken our standings in the world and embolden our adversaries. >> what abo
defense spending the being cut. when we have no trade agenda to speak of and our strategy isn't one of partnership but of passive ti. >> on actual foreign policy his specifics were thin amounting to deepening critical cooperation and reaffirming historic ties. susan glasser, your overall assessment of mitt romney? there was no shortage of criticism for the president. what did you make of the prescriptions romney was laying out? >> thanks, alex. you made an important point to say this isn't necessarily a fully formed recipe for what a rom uh any administration would look like. he's seeking to gain a campaign advantage over president obama rather than outline a fully formed foreign policy. i think you didn't see that today. in fact, in many ways it's still not clear whether there is much of a difference in a policy sense between barack obama and mitt romney. >> dave wood, our war correspondent extraordinaire there will be talk affidavit war in afghanistan. mitt romney had words about the president's treatment of iraq. let's focus on the afghanistan question. it's the 11-year anniversa
-- and the president can remain polite. i just hope we see a more aggressive defense and a better frame, a better narrative about who he is, what he's done and where we're going as a country. >> let's start with the negative. let's play defense here. what about going after this 47%, when romney was being taped, not on national television, but when he thought he wasn't on national television, when he basically dismissed half the country for being slackers, moochers, whatever, loafers. when he did that, that wasn't something he was saying by accident. that is something, serious, he can still go after that once romney's taken it back? >> yes, absolutely. and he needs to go after it. one of the things he need to do, dee dee points out, there are three chapters. look what i inherited and look at the situation that confronted me the moment i walked in the office. the second chapter is, look what we did. every single thing we did, maybe it didn't work as fast or as well as we would have liked but it's working now. every single thing we did, the republicans and mitt romney tried to keep us from doing. an
worried about that. and on top of this is up to 200,000 defense-related jobs that will be lost in virginia if sequestration, president obama's plan to lay off defense workers takes hold. we're very worried about that. >> that's not just president obama's plan to lay -- that was a plan that was reached by both parties. so let's be fair and let's be honest. >> well, and it was -- >> go ahead, brian. >> it was a result of the republicans -- it was a result of the republicans holding the debt ceiling hostage. and that's why they entered this plan. this was a scheme developed by eric cantor from virginia. but let's talk about the jobs that corey criticizes here. if they were so concerned about the average virginian, then they wouldn't be sacrificing defense spending, education like pell grants for the expense of providing the very wealthy additional tax cuts. 120,000 families throughout the country averaging $8 million a year will receive tax cuts from the romney plan. that is not good for the average virginian. the average virginian wants to send their kid to school here in virginia like odu c
on their pitching and defense. >>> back in the top of the second, oakland outfield coco crisp makes a leaping grab to rob a would-be home run by prince fielder. >>> well, to football now, nfl commissioner roger goodell reduced the bounty related suspensions of two new orleans saints players. linebacker scott fujita's three game suspension has been reduced to one. and defensive end anthony hargrove's eight game penalty has been trimmed to seven. >>> felix baumgartner's death defying sky dive from 23 miles above earth has been postponed due to gusty winds. so we will keep you posted on that. what is up with that? gusty winds? hey, i know who to ask about that. bill karins. you know all about gusty winds. >> hot air balloons -- >> get it? >> i do, i do. full of hot air. yeah. one of us. if you're in new england today, bring the umbrella. light rain and showers. eventually all of this rain back here from detroit to north will sweep through new york state and northern thunk. so a period of some rain as the cold front slides on through. it will be another gray day out there. temperatures aren't all that
there, bob. >> pretty good defense, bob. >> i think i actually wrote that meteorologist and months ago. >>> that's what, bob, i think we all agree what didn't work was the defense, because he's not that far ahead. he can't get to the fourth quarter -- >> we'll see what obama shows up in two weeks. >> who will win this thursday? joe biden has got to win, because the tie goes i think to the other guy. >> i think it's a tie. >> i think biden will win. i think he's a terrific debater. i think a lot of people underestimate him. >> not you, not me. thank you both. >>> coming up, unmasking the so-called mitt. he pulled a classic et asketch last week. when is president obama going to stop talking about big bird and go after the big stuff and the other guy? >>> also the war in the west, senate races in north dakota, montana, nevada and arizona, they're all toss-ups. tonight a democrat making a, richard carmona is here. >>> and jon stewart takes on the jobbers, the right-leaning conspiracy theorists who say the unemployment numbers were sent in from obama headquarters in chicago. >> it's a [ ble
to the wood shed on wanting to spend more on defense budget, on wanting to perhaps be more active in syria. he you the ut terd the same lin heard. the notion of dumping more money into defense and also at least giving a veiled threat of more action in syria is enough to scare a lot of people who are war weary and sick of it. >> agree. i think rand paul reflects that sentiment inside and outside of the party. there are more traditional republicans going back 30, 40 years of looking at these things more objectively, looking at the costs and all of that. that's going to be an ongoing battle. i think tonight to your point, gene, that what the congressman has to do is not jump on this whole issue in a way that comes off partisan keeping in mind your point that a life -- many lives were lost, four lives were lost, and that to be sober in challenging the administration's position. >> that particularly -- >> >> is smarter politics. >> particularly important for him. >> and it's even important because the man at the top of the ticket has criticized the foreign policy of the obama administration but thr
, a total sham. and moreover, governor romney also proposes a $2 trillion defense increase. now, if you want to do that, you think there's a case for it, and some of the military people are wrong. they need it. then you at least ought to say how you're going to pay for it. >> howard? >> hey, joe? >> the fascinating thing about all this is the positioning. now, i actually disagree with joe on raising the entitlement age. i don't have a problem with raising the age on social security because i agree with you actuarily. raising the age on medicare is really a bad idea. it's the one thing that would make me not support simpson-bowles if i were in the congress because medicare is a health insurance program. it isn't about an entitlement. it's about figuring out how to get everybody health insurance. the one program we have that covers everybody that's universal is medicare. why would you want to raise the age on medicare? but i agree with you on social security and the other entitlements. we cannot continue to have this kind of level of entitlement spending if we're going to balance the budget. b
, with the exception of libya which is a special case which the obama administration is clearly on defense. what came across is there is a huge difference in style and attitude how these two campaigns will approach things. when they got to the policies, the two sides are remarkably similar. the romney campaign has throughout this campaign been trying hard to make this big contrast on foreign policy while actually keeping their policies fairly close on afghanistan, syria, on iran, to where the administration is. both sides want a withdrawal in 2014. the difference here is that the romney campaign won't call it a deadline for withdrawal, but they want to withdraw in 2014. both sides support the same set of sanctions for iran. the difference is that the romney campaign may have done something different earlier and may have gone less through the u.n. and may have been more vocal about their criticism of u.n. both have the same policy on syria. the difference is the romney campaign wouldn't have gone through the u.s., wouldn't have been more vocal and supported syrian opposition earlier. on the actual pol
. the defense minister said that israel takes the incident very seriously and will consider responses. of course, tensions between israel and iran are high as they continue to face off regarding iran's nuclear program. >> and then iran's response has been what? >> reporter: >> reporter: well, so far no immediate response, but they are reporting the israeli defenses, one website calls it a reference to the country's missile defense system. so so far, neither country is saying anything official, but the war of words is continuing by proxy, if you like. >> okay, thank you very much. up next, the video game world identity, and why it may come back to haunt you you. you're watching weekends with alex witt. yo, give it up, dude! up high... ok. up high... ok. high! up high!!! ok ok that's getting pretty old. don't you have any useful apps on that thing? who do you think i am, quicken loans? [ chuckles ] at quicken loans, our amazingly useful mortgage calculator app allows you to quickly calculate your mortgage payment based on today's incredibly low interest rates... right from your iphone or android s
a bit of a defense yesterday saying the cheering didn't come from most of the crowd. a small group, he believes. and believes kansas city fans are good fans. >>> coming up at the top of the hour on "morning joe," mitt romney delivers a foreign policy speech at vmi. critics saying it fell a bit short on detail. we'll talk with the president on the council of foreign relations in just a minute. and we'll huddle around the water cooler where big bird remains center stage in this presidential campaign thanks to president obama's campaign. we'll show you their new ad when we come back. >>> we told you after being down almost 20 pins with women just a month ago, mitt romney has effectively closed the gender gap according to one poll. romney stands even with the president among female voters in the latest pugh survey. should romney end up getting more of the female vote than the president does in the general, he'd be the first republican to do that in 24 years. want to sound smart today, tell your friends the last republican presidential candidate to win the female vote, george h.w. bush. the
while cuts to the defense department and oil industry continue as usual. ryan will have to defend that record tonight and he'll have to defend comments like these. >> before too long we could become a society that we were never, ever intended to be. we could become a society where the majority of americans are makers, not takers. they believe the american idea. only 30% want the welfare state. >> takers and makers. it's a distorted view of the american people and a deeply cynical one and it will be challenged tonight by another view. >> we have a fundamentally different values set than these guys do. we believe america does well. america's always prospered when hard work is rewarded. when everyone has a fair shot. everyone plays by the same rules. everyone gets a fair shake. where everyone is held accountable, rich and poor. >> republicans are always saying they want to talk about values. well, tonight, paul ryan is going to have to defend the values underlying his policies, whether he likes it or not. joining me now is chris hayes, host of "up with chris hayes" here on msnbc and
that the democrats were back on their heels on the defensive. joe biden was not on the defensive last night. he was dominating in that debate and i think you see the media narratives are often overdone. it was done last week and may be done this week. but it at least changed the way that the story is being told now and that's what biden really needed to do. >> margie, what was the fallout from this? what was the assets gained by the democrats if in fact biden performed well last night there was a cbs poll done and half of them said that biden won as opposed to a quarter or third said that ryan won. a new poll just got released just as i was heading over here, a reuter's poll, and that showed that biden won. two of the three polls that have been released show that voters gave biden the edge. it also, you know, really pokes a hole in this myth of ryan as somebody who, you know, says what he means when he's talking about the facts because he really hedged in a lot of places. he didn't offer clear distinctions with the president on their foreign policy. in numerous cases he dodged a question as the
to have a strong defense, these are all going to be important issues here. the president's team has a much better ground game in the state. i think some of that movement is the base coming home to mitt romney. which is something you expect to happen. late in the cycle. and so, the president has made the case. unemployment in virginia is below the national average as it is in ohio and florida. and i think that's one of the reasons he's doing better in these states. is not just the jobs numbers from friday, that show that we have gone below 8%. but that it's really made an impact in these communities. >> i want to go back and talk about what everyone else continues to talk b. the debate performance, in colorado on wednesday. take a list ton what jamcarvill said this morning and then we'll talk about it on the other side. >> it looked like to me he really didn't want to be there. his mind wasn't on it he didn't want to engage. he just wanted to get through the 90 minutes. >> that's the perception that we've heard from a lot of folks. not just on the right, the folks in the middle, folks on th
're not better off. the president needs to do a full throated defense of his presidency and not allow governor romney to define his presidency for him. this helps significantly. >> and, chris, quickly do we hear mitt romney continue to say that president obama doesn't understand the economy? does this put him in a box? >> well, to some extent but governor romney is going to use his statistics to paint his picture and we saw that. and i think this is one of the things that i would, you know, strongly recommend to the obama campaign. romney was a blizzard of statistics in that debate but a lot of them weren't true. the president has the ability to use statistics to attack and undercut governor romney's arguments. he needs to go into the next debate. a lot of people are going to be watching given the last debate and he needs to go right at governor romney and completely destroy this notion that reinventing himself, let alone introducing and proposing the same policies are going to create a different outcome. he can definitely do that. we've seen that. >> right wing conservative talking points dyi
post" eugene robinson and michael o'hanlon, senior fellow with the 21st century defense initiative. two men better equipped for today i could not find. eugene, you have been a foreign correspondent in places as far afield as argentina and europe. you know the middle east. mitt romney says he wants to arm the syrian rebels with serious amounts of military hardware. i ask you, eugene, is america ready and willing to start a proxy war with iran on the road to damascus? >> well, good question, and first of all, i think you have to ask given the way romney has changed his policy in various areas, you have to ask is he serious about that. but if he is, that's the one sort of bit of news that came out of his speech today. it's not as if we're not already at least assisting in the arming of the rebels. there was an intelligence finding by president obama that said we could give covert aid essentially through our allies, through the saudis and the qataris, but we have discouraged them from providing heavy weapons because we're afraid those heavy weapons might fall into the hands of terrorists. s
, as president, would you have signed the national defense act as written? >> yes, i would have. >> dana, julian, this guy -- his memory is so good, he remembers things that didn't happen. >> right. >> well, look, this is actually a relatively controversial issue about whether merndz can be detained during a period of war indefinitely -- >> a position he agreed with previously and said he would sign the legislation. >> not only that, this is a position that's been debated intensely after 9/11. it's possible not to understand this issue or to have a position on it at this point. and it goes to the point, again, this is a guy who will, you know, say and do anything in order to get elected and really has no core. but again, i think that's a useful narrative. but i want to go back to the earlier point, which is there is so much meat on the table for the democrats right now f you go after the tax plan, the health plan, the fact that mitt is still hiding information on his taxes, i think what is missing here is not so much increasing the narrative on all of his -- this game of twister, where he can ta
. and politico's j. mar, jonathan mart martin. biden, first of all for the opposition, you're on defense, michael. >> always on defense. >> what does mr. ryan have to do to fend off the older, perhaps more seasoned veterans tonight? >> i think what he has to do is not get down in the weeds of the numbers but take those numbers and translate them into real people, real stories out there, very much as you saw romney do at the beginning of the delate last time. it really set the tone for where he was going to go and how he was going to frame the discussion. so i think to the extent he can do that, it gets him in some good ground. >> does he have the ability to nail the guy on where the weedy decisions on vouchers, on person 45 hood, on cuts of things like capital gains, and getting rid of estate taxes and lowering the top individual rate. all the wealth going to the top people, can biden nail him on that stuff? >> i did an interview with the vice president back in august and he hasn't done very many ser interviews. we talked about this thing. this is obviously before what happened in denver last wee
this saber rattling there would be a real cost to that. >> couple that with the defense spending america does not want more war and you're the party supposed to be trimming spending and want to establish a 4% floor for defense spending. >> totally critique for obama somehow he's soft. feels in the end that they're still pandering to their base when they talk about foreign policy and agree, martha raddtz pressed him on syria and iran he wasn't able to propose any real alternative to the administration policy and that's pretty damming omission. >> the logic of their position is more troops but they can't go there. >> right. >> they're kind of stuck in this limbo. >> it's semi illogical. coming up, it was the first question of the night, will it continue to be a thorn in obama's side. how does the u.s. -- the attack on the u.s. consulate factor in in the next three weeks. we will ask chris hayes when he joins the panel just ahead. two years ago, the people of bp made a commitment to the gulf. and every day since, we've worked hard to keep it. bp has paid over twenty-three billion dollars to help
was a four time pro bowl defensive tackle for the detroit lions. after football he was known as his role on the sitcom "webster" and in movies for the role of mongo in "blazing saddles." >>> the u.s. anti-doping agency revealed to lance armstrong the names of 26 people who accused him of doping, 11 of which were former teammates. the report accuses armstrong of blood doping for most of his career and expecting teammates to do the same. armstrong did not fight the u.s. charges but insists he never cheated. >>> and now for another look at the weather, we check in with nbc meteorologist bill karins. he has your weather channel forecast. we're happy about the yankees this morning, bill. you've been talking about it since you walk in. >> tough doing the morning shift. i missed a moment last night. probably happened 11:30 or midnight. >> a lot of cheers. >> really? >> we missed you. we did. >> i don't think i'll be here at midnight any time soon. >> good morning, everybody. it's a cold start to your day as you walk out this morning. all the way from the great lakes, ohio valley and into new en
, and defense spending. what do we get on either of those? sorry to be the libertarian on this. they're never addressed. you get squishy, vague things. they don't want to talk about things that will annoy people. >> they've made this totally corrupt from the standpoint of their own ideology, corrupt generational bargain. welfare state for the older voters and privatization for everyone else. there's no ideological -- >> they're also making the bet that these two people don't know each other. >> that's right. that's a great one. >> that grandma who is 75 is not in tune or doesn't care about what's happening to her grandchildren who are 25 or 30. >> my grandmother never cared. that might be very specific to my family. >> someone like me is intensely worried about my social security dependent mom and whether or not she's going to have to go out and bargain for, you know, her medicare benefits or if i am going to have to get on the phone on her behalf and have -- or me pay the difference or that she does not have the difference available. >> this is such an important point because the idea that y
's look at the two really interesting categories. so defense, ryan and obama actually pretty much agree, they both want to spend about $5.5 trillion on defense over the next ten years. romney wants to spend $7.8 trillion on defense over the next ten years. so that kind of blows a hole in his budget. >> let me stop you right there. so we obviously, in the republican party, we have a bit of a battle between the realists and the neocons. the realists want to bring the spending down a bit more, agree with admiral mullen that one of the greatest risks we face when it comes to security is the debt over the long run. there is another faction of the republican party, and it appears that mitt romney is a part of that faction of neocons that believe that we need to keep spending an awful lot. >> look, we want to have the preeminent military in the world and we do and we're going to. you look at procurement programs like the joint strike fighter. the notion that there is not money to save in the pentagon budget, that it is not a bloated bureaucracy in many, many areas is just crazy. >> that's righ
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